These were from Bob. I didn't make them. First time I ran meltdown was regs and I got all females.
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These were from Bob. I didn't make them. First time I ran meltdown was regs and I got all females.
Glad to have you in here Jeff. You've found the right place.
Rocket Soul
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All you gotta do is to add a bit of blue/uv to your red supped light and bang, its 2010 again, lol.
jeffislovenlife
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Them some lovely ladies 
Rocket Soul
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Looking great so far, let see how flower goes.Them some lovely ladies
Meltdown ready to flip. I’ll transplant into the big tent this week and flip on Saturday
2 Meltdown on the left and 2 Chicken Dinner on the right. My husband is so excited about those CD. I just hit stretch and they are robustly healthy.
Transplanted yesterday. Little bit of shock but they’ll be fine
Vibrant!
Even though I'm anti HLG now, that Veg Pro light kicks ass!
Rocket Soul
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Why the HLG animosity? Sorry, im a total gossip
I do agree though, very nice looking veg
Why the HLG animosity? Sorry, im a total gossip
I do agree though, very nice looking veg
I ordered a Scorpion Diablo X on Black Friday 2025. Page said 3-4 week lead time. A month later I asked for an update, got kicked down the road, then again two or three more times. End of January this year I demanded a refund. Now the Scorpion and Tomahawk are gone from their site and the .ca site was taken over by a link farm. Seems like a company in its death throws.
I ended up with a better light IMO. AC Infinity EVO10. Its' a beast and I got it the next day after ordering.
I own 3 HLG Tomahawks. I like them but if I had known they would discontinue them within a year of introduction and therefore dropped support, I would have bought ac Infinity instead to be natively controlled by the devices I automate my grows with.Why the HLG animosity? Sorry, im a total gossip
I do agree though, very nice looking veg
Rocket Soul
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I had no idea. Maybe its got something to do with samsung stepping out of led business. Or the fact that the market is very averse to pay high end prices.
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With everyone making decent lights now it's really hard to justify the HLG premium.
I do think cheaper lights have become very effective. If you really want or need as precise a spectrum, that's fine. But entry level lights can really grow weed and new growers probably shouldn't learn to drive in Lamborghinis. My first led lights came from Area 51, some of the first full spectrum leds to hit the market 15 years ago. 200W and very user friendly compared to HPS. I still have them stored in my attic.
HGL is unable to grow further because they aren't catering to the broader market. Painted into a corner of excellence.
Rocket Soul
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When they came about there was still no tested and reliable Ali sources and there was much more enfasis on Top bin leds (the ones that test highest for efficiency). They got a good Samsung connect so they could provide the tech people wanted. Nowadays high bin/efficiency lights are much more available - almost all leds come in high flux bin (light output) but to get that top line spec you also need a low voltage bin (lower power consumption). It means that paying a premium doesnt really increase your light per led, it just lowers power consumption by a few percent which isnt really all that much for the premium price.
Had a look at grandmaster level leds today, they look like theyve stepped up their game a lot but the topline functionality is still quite premium price.
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I've been running clones too long. After moving the plants to the big tent, I roasted the meltdown lol. 450ppfd was too much and I needed another week to recover. The clones didn't miss a beat, I had to cut them back so they didn't outpace the meltdown. I think I'm ready to flip this week.
