Gear talk - VPD

Your kinda right. More than a number per bar it would depend on the circuit architecture : uv is a 3.5V diode in a circuit which usually totals out around 50V : this is due to driver specs and that generally DC is less dangerous at lower voltage: most legislation s allows you to self certify at these lower voltages. What you get them is 1 uv per diode cluster (4 in this design)


3.5 out of 50 is 7% of power going to uv which is already quite high, so in order to not go overboard on blue/uv and lose yield you need to either add a bunch of red diodes for blue/red balance or use s very warm white with low blue content.

Far red end of day switching is a cool feature, it can shorten the flower cycle but with a caveat: shorten flower cycle can mean less yield. Though you dont need as much as 30min after lights out, maybe 5min.

And no far red for lights on: it turns them to bed, not wake them up - 660 would be more indicated for this.


Difficulty varies wildly with design but generally much easier than youd think. Can you drill an alu profile and put together a frame? Can you push a cable into a pushin connector? Alternatively solder the wiring; which to be honest can be learnt on the go with no previous experience, its that easy. Those are the only real skills need for putting it together.

The difficult thing is making a design that really works well in your space and finding all the gear in a way that you dont get totally bogged down in costs for imports. It will cost you more but if your able to get 100-200 more of value per cycle then those costs are generally fine, you just need to design with that in mind.
Things you can achieve:
- custom spectrum which can change both yield and flavor quality.
- perfect spread: if you look at the last 4 inches towards the walls of a 4x4 its already almost a third of the area: usually light coverage here is poor to regular- if you can improve lightlevels and productivity here even just a little youre already winning. You can either do this thru hardware: adding extra strips on the sides of your bar light. Or you can go another further step: wire all the outer periferral strips together on the same driver to perfectly dial in lightlevels in the centre vrs perifery. You could even wire in side lighting as part of you main light.
Its what i did on this build:
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Periferrals on its driver
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Centre on its own
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Everything on. This build on top of that feature also has one veg and one flower channel, which you can run both at the same time for a higher efficiency full cycle light. If youre running your plants in the same space veg and flower id defo say its preferable to have separate spectrums rather than a middle of the road static fullcycle spectrum.

So a lot of design considerations before you build but once you got the deaign its just a bunch of fairly low difficulty handy work. Though very important to have wore management thought out, its very easy for cabling to become a huge nuisance.

All in all i think its well worth it, if the whole design is all aligned. Youre kind of stacking small benefits on top of eachother: a few % here for better managed spread, a few there for spectrum optimizing yield and shortening flower cycle, a few here cause you can give more light intensity without burning them etc.
Main thing for me still remains that awesome creator feeling: first time it lights up and leaves you blinded with thousands of little dots and then after the first cycle seeing your results improved and beat any of your old lights, its a very different kind of high and extremely addictive.
Thanks for the Info. Doing the construction doesn't seem to anything I'd be concerned with, properly wiring would be my biggest concern. I've got 2 4x4 grow beds in a 6x22 room. The beds are looking used and I have contemplated starting fresh with beds and new soil, and putting the old soil out into my garden. I've been thinking of setting up a new layout with different size grow beds to make things easier. Without having the walls like in a tent, I'd love to be able to increase the outer light level to match the inner level and set up channels for veg\flower. The ability to design lights for a specific layout is also appealing. Thanks.... now I have a project to contemplate and design. This could get out of hand,lol. Can I hit you up on your experience should I get to that point? This could be my winter project.
 
Thanks for the Info. Doing the construction doesn't seem to anything I'd be concerned with, properly wiring would be my biggest concern. I've got 2 4x4 grow beds in a 6x22 room. The beds are looking used and I have contemplated starting fresh with beds and new soil, and putting the old soil out into my garden. I've been thinking of setting up a new layout with different size grow beds to make things easier. Without having the walls like in a tent, I'd love to be able to increase the outer light level to match the inner level and set up channels for veg\flower. The ability to design lights for a specific layout is also appealing. Thanks.... now I have a project to contemplate and design. This could get out of hand,lol. Can I hit you up on your experience should I get to that point? This could be my winter project.
Of course you can. The practical stuff is fairly easy, but sourcing parts may be harder. I went all the way getting something designed for my purpose but its a long process and involves minimum buying quantities; these spectrums are generally not available in standard strips.
Using boards is also fairly easy, it comes with slightly different strategy as youre controlling a more spot like light source, but you could for example do 8 boards in a square, and have the corners and in between boards on separate drivers so as giving a bit extra light in the corners which doesnt take much cross lighting.

One thing to consider though is if your soilbed will be up for the demands of super high intensities; id generally recommend something hydro or at least with adjustable nutes for that but its mainly for never having tried to something like that myself before.
 
And wiring is nothing super complicated neither- i learned my first build buy just building it. However, if you manage to do a good cable managment, and maje syre you cant snag things by accident, this is golden. Ive had some builds which were just an insane rats nest which made me reconsider wtf i was thinking. For boards and strips you usually go for a parallel solution while strings of diodes for supplements serial is usually best.

There are some very interesting strip solutions in series where you can have different strips in the same string: this way you can take your build towards a custom spectrum while not having to go all the way by having it fabricated. Like one white normal grow strip and another with high spec monos for a more extreme spectrum.
 
I forget to mention the main kick abd advantage out of building: the immense feeling of accomplishment first when you light it up for the first time, then when you beat your best harvest results with a bumper crop of superior bud. To be able to outbuild and outgrow whatever you thought was the maximum possible, the sense of achievement - i only ever got it when i broke my projector and then being a stubborn bastard took it apart and tinkered a bit until it was working again.
 
Of course you can. The practical stuff is fairly easy, but sourcing parts may be harder. I went all the way getting something designed for my purpose but its a long process and involves minimum buying quantities; these spectrums are generally not available in standard strips.
Using boards is also fairly easy, it comes with slightly different strategy as youre controlling a more spot like light source, but you could for example do 8 boards in a square, and have the corners and in between boards on separate drivers so as giving a bit extra light in the corners which doesnt take much cross lighting.

One thing to consider though is if your soilbed will be up for the demands of super high intensities; id generally recommend something hydro or at least with adjustable nutes for that but its mainly for never having tried to something like that myself before.
I'm running Mars Hydro FCE 8000.. I'm assuming that is high intensity
 
Thanks for the Info. Doing the construction doesn't seem to anything I'd be concerned with, properly wiring would be my biggest concern. I've got 2 4x4 grow beds in a 6x22 room. The beds are looking used and I have contemplated starting fresh with beds and new soil, and putting the old soil out into my garden. I've been thinking of setting up a new layout with different size grow beds to make things easier. Without having the walls like in a tent, I'd love to be able to increase the outer light level to match the inner level and set up channels for veg\flower. The ability to design lights for a specific layout is also appealing. Thanks.... now I have a project to contemplate and design. This could get out of hand,lol. Can I hit you up on your experience should I get to that point? This could be my winter project.
if you wanna re-use that soil, i follow a soil pro called fulcrop sciences, he highly reccomends sending your soil in as a sample somewhere to get it tested, so you know what its missing and can do rough calculations to replinish what was lost and have really good organic soil for next grow.
 
if you wanna re-use that soil, i follow a soil pro called fulcrop sciences, he highly reccomends sending your soil in as a sample somewhere to get it tested, so you know what its missing and can do rough calculations to replinish what was lost and have really good organic soil for next grow.
I grow in living soil with soil biology, red wigglers and nightcrawlers, I top dress after harvest and a little pre flower, I add all my trimming,defoliation and a lot of my bud trim. I used to amend soil, but now I'm just feeding the soil, and occasionally put some sliced pumpkin, or apples on top to feed the worms and throw some worm castings on top after harvest.
 
if you wanna re-use that soil, i follow a soil pro called fulcrop sciences, he highly reccomends sending your soil in as a sample somewhere to get it tested, so you know what its missing and can do rough calculations to replinish what was lost and have really good organic soil for next grow.
This is what I use to reamend\top dress
and for flowering stage
and additionally a fermented bloom supplement made with KNF Labs
 
What are people using to measure VPD?
Temp/rh meter and the chart? Or even VPDchart.com?

Or do you use a device that just cuts out all the fuzz of first checking the hygro and then consulting a chart?

I know theres a few devices around
- Pulse has a standalone device, fairly expensive iirc about 200.
- the AC infinity controller - not seen it in action properly but looks real nice. But i cant really see it as a standalone device.
- Trollmaster has a unit but again its something not quite standalone (and not cheap) its part of their device ecosystem.

Am i missing some device on the market? Seems like this is a niche of the market completely uncovered: why cant i just have a hygro thermo/rh meter that just gives me the vpd at the same time, and not have to pay a fortune???

I wanted to ask everybody what their thoughts are on this, what it would be worth having something like this cause i might have an idea of how to get to it.
Same here, AC Infinity.
 
This is what I use to reamend\top dress
and for flowering stage
and additionally a fermented bloom supplement made with KNF Labs
I keep telling myself one day I'll attempt a soil grow (Indoors). Then I chicken out!
 
This is what I use to reamend\top dress
and for flowering stage
and additionally a fermented bloom supplement made with KNF Labs
Thats some very nice looking amendments - unfortunately not available in euro if im not mistaken. Wish we could get buildasoil, megacrop and captain jacks over here
 
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